Re: politics, etc.

From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Sep 06 2008 - 08:14:36 PDT

look the futurists actually became soldiers and went off to fight a war in
the name of art
"how people would feel" obsessions are boring and lifeless
feel - feel
what about actual thought type stuff?
grown ups vs. babies


On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:31 AM, king quuen quasi electric <
email suppressed> wrote:

> Do you really think the Situationists would have sent links to pages
> selling campaign buttons? I think they would have been somewhat more
> inventive. I wonder how people would feel if I posted links to websites
> selling books on gay rights or animal activism.
> --- On *Fri, 9/5/08, Flick Harrison <email suppressed>* wrote:
> From: Flick Harrison <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: FramWorks, Obama, Satantango, politics, etc.
> To: email suppressed
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:58 PM
> On 5-Sep-08, at 10:44 AM, Fred Camper wrote:
> Of course politics is relevant to film. But I think everyone on this list
> knows who Obama is, and, being on the Internet, knows how to find out more
> about him if they want to. We don't need to be told to support him, or to
> not support him, or to buy Obama buttons! If everyone on this list posted
> about everything that interested them, we would all be overwhelmed.
> I agree. Plus, there are extremely testy people on this list, or rather,
> everybody gets a little testy now and then.
> Yes, the "who's using the bathroom alla time!" posts are a bit much, and
> the Obama stuff was completely outrageous. Then again, when you're facing
> the prospect of a creepy nutter starting world war III, little things like
> netiquette are hard to abide - I'm sure the situationists in their prime
> would have made even Emily Postnews tap her toes and harumph impatiently.
> I prefer to read decently written posts that are well informed. Having seen
> "Satantango" twice, complete, and on film, I don't need to read a post from
> someone who has seen an hour or so of it on video.
> With all due respect, that's going a bit far if you're suggesting the
> "Satantango" post was unframeworkian. There was quite a going discussion a
> while back about digital distribution of inferior copies of works, and just
> now about officially re-presenting older works in various states of
> fidelity. I can't imagine where you'd draw the official line between
> "specialized knowledge" reactions to works or topics, "personal" reaction,
> and "trivial" reactions. There are plenty of people who think the entire
> field of experimental film is trivial, who would in fact call all that
> specialized knowledge itself trivia.
> What's great about FrameWorks is that so many people here have specialized
> knowledge of various aspects of experimental cinema. What wrecks the list is
> people posting opinions about topics they don't know much about, plus
> personal trivia.
> As they say in Hollywood: nobody knows anything. Personal, trivia,
> knowledge, etc... all part of individual film and criticism. I don't think
> we need a peer-review process on this list. The difference between Jim
> Carlile calling La Jetee "overrated" and a tenured professor who might argue
> that "actually, current research is increasingly treating La Jetee as
> relevant" (which, as I recall wasn't what happened) is certainly
> interesting, and I wouldn't want either to be booted off the list.
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