Re: 16mm film projection speeds

From: matteo pizzarello (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Aug 01 2008 - 03:58:04 PDT

Dear Pip

I signed to the experimental list but I didn t yet understand some things so I would like to ask you some questions :

How can I post a topic to be read by everybody?

I would like you to see my work knots and give me feedback if possible and do the samewith everybody on the list.

to see my short you can go on myspace untill this evening and see it for free : ,
from tomorrow i ll take it away as I got a disribution contract for internet on

if you want to support my indipendent filmmaking you can go there and watch it for 0, 80 dollar.

Have a nice day and thank you in advance.

Another question ,

I am originally from Rome and I saw the abstracta program and would like to ask you if its still possible to take my work on consideration if you like it, I would be proud to show it in my birth town.

thank you again

DirectorMatteo PizzarelloMiracles Pictures Ltd
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> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:40:09 +0200
> From: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: 16mm film projection speeds
> To: email suppressed
> I would keep it simple.
> At least in film, you can be sure that the mechanics of the projector
> will flicker the way you intend and expect. But in video, every
> projector is different, and there so many different technologies and
> formats (LCD/DLP/interlaced/progressive) and speeds (25 for PAL, 30
> for NTSC) - that is a very different animal and your work may get
> away from you. Especially if it is ever transfered using compression
> (such as MPEG which all DVDs require) - because compression depends
> on GOPs ("group of pictures") and by inserting black frames you are
> creating sequences which cannot be broken up into GOPs. Every frame
> is a new scene, and you may be highly disappointed by the results the
> encoders, and worse the decoders, will give you. Those algorythms
> were not written for us people.
> It sounds like you are involved with handicraft that would work best
> under mechanical reproduction. It is also important to note that by
> surrounding your single frames with black, you are recreating the
> shutter principle; therefore the work is inherently connected to the
> film medium and should stay true to that medium. The projector
> flickers by nature, you are only accentuating it. Video does not
> flicker.
> I would suggest you look up the "phi phenomenon" ("beta" for
> sticklers) - that is the perceptual trick you are working with and
> which determines the nature of the film projector. Until recently,
> video was produced by a flying spot racing across the screen line by
> line, odd lines first, then even lines. The spot constructed a space
> over time. A film projector does the opposite: each image is
> presented as a rapid flash, and the successive rapid flashes create
> time out of space. All these considerations, of how your work will be
> perceived by brains, are the ultimate reasons for choosing one
> technology over another.
> -Pip
> At 23:54 -0700 31/07/08, Myron Ort wrote:
> >
> >
> >Question: what does happen in a digital transfer when there is one
> >frame of image surrounded by black on both sides, at the 24fps
> >speed? will the digital have the same kind of impact as the film? or
> >even close?
> >
> >mo
> >
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