From: Ken Bawcom (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Jul 30 2008 - 21:19:52 PDT
I vaguely recall having a dream in which I was watching a film, and it
kept getting interrupted by a color girl popping up in the film, first
one, repeatedly, then she was joined by other color girls, popping up
in the film. I do know there is film that has something like that in
it, can't recall the title, so perhaps I was just rehashing the film
in my dream.
Ken B.
Quoting Myron Ort <email suppressed>:
> I too have often experienced these vivid and somewhat persistent
> after images and have been known to sit up and yell loudly at the
> apparitions, blink a few times, until they finally go away or become
> awake enough to realize they are not "real", or, if I happen to like
> them, attempt going back to sleep in order to continue, but alas,
> the dream is never the same after that.
>
> btw, last night, in a typical "trying to get back home" dream, being
> lost in a familiar environment which has turned incomprehensibly
> more complicated and unfamiliar than I had ever remembered it, I
> realized it had become very late and I was tired, so I found a bed
> and went to sleep, in the dream. Unfortunately there was a series
> of interruptions to my sleeping ( in my dream), and didn't have a
> chance to dream while sleeping in my dream. Maybe next time.
>
> It seems that dreaming that one is tired and going to sleep in a
> dream goes to the very mechanism of why we dream.
>
> btw, Anyone ever see countdown leader in a dream? Did it include
> the "muse" figure?
>
> Myron Ort
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:10 AM, DOMINIC ANGERAME wrote:
>
>> Hi Marilyn.....I have had similar experiences when I
>> am either sleep deprived or extremely exhausted. I can
>> close my eyes, yet see through my eyelids. It is like
>> seeing through a mask....I can see my room and
>> everything in it....it is a very strange
>> experience....for whatever it is worth...I though I
>> would share that...
>>
>> Dominic
>> --- Marilyn Brakhage <email suppressed> wrote:
>>
>>> These are interesting questions. But has no one
>>> here ever experienced
>>> an after-image of a dream image? I have. The brief
>>> retention of
>>> optical stimulation that results in a visual
>>> after-image when we look
>>> at a bright object, for example, is, I think, a
>>> fairly well-known and
>>> well-understood phenomenon -- a sort of brief
>>> persistence of vision.
>>> What is interesting is that when awaking from a
>>> dream (eyes still
>>> closed), I have more than once experienced a similar
>>> "picture" in
>>> closed-eye vision of what I was last "seeing" in my
>>> dream. This would
>>> suggest that images are formed not only by optical
>>> stimulation being
>>> interpreted by brain, but also by brain activity
>>> stimulating same
>>> optical nerves -- in other words, in reverse. Also,
>>> when people are
>>> extremely sleep-deprived, they can begin to
>>> hallucinate, right? --
>>> basically dreaming while 'awake'; "seeing" things
>>> that are not there.
>>> So I think images in dreams do involve both memory
>>> and optics -- and
>>> that the content is not just "post-production" as
>>> Saul would have it
>>> (thought there does seem to be a certain randomness
>>> to dreams, and
>>> obviously we do constantly select and interpret
>>> amongst everything we
>>> hear, see, think, etc., and so undoubtedly do this
>>> in response to our
>>> dreams as well.) . . . But as far as images are
>>> concerned, what seems
>>> to me harder to grasp is an image in thought (while
>>> awake). For
>>> example, if you right now bring to mind a friend's
>>> face, in what sense
>>> are you "seeing" it? . . . Some similar optical
>>> memory process, I
>>> guess, but entirely elusive.
>>>
>>> Marilyn Brakhage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 20, 2008, at 03:21 AM,
>>> email suppressed wrote:
>>>
>>>> good point - it aint no "image", surely, rather, a
>>> cluster of
>>>> sensations ?
>>>> Wouldn't people say that an "image" is just a tag
>>> of language to
>>>> relate that kind of sensation?
>>>>
>>>>> ----Original Message----
>>>>> From: email suppressed
>>>>> Date: 20/07/2008 3:25
>>>>> To: <email suppressed>
>>>>> Subj: Re: Nightmare!
>>>>>
>>>>> But what, exactly, is an "image" in a dream?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat Jul 19 22:10 , Jim Carlile
>>> <email suppressed> sent:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 7/19/2008 6:26:07 P.M.
>>> Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>>>> email suppressed writes:
>>>>>> This is
>>>>>> bullcrap. Nobody has "nightmares" in which they
>>> are
>>>>>>> frightened
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> they are having dreams. Nobody dreams about
>>> having dreams
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> anything, let
>>>>>>> alone the parts they cut
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Au contraire-- many dreams include some image
>>> where you have a
>>>> dream--
>>>>>> sometimes that very same dream.
>>>>>>
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