From: Jack Sargeant (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Jul 30 2008 - 03:10:42 PDT

wax: the discovery of television amongst the bees


On 30 Jul 2008, at 20:09, Chen Sheinberg wrote:

> Hello,
> does anybody know about experimental films involving insects except
> "Mothlight" by Brakhage?
> thanks
> chen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Polta"
> <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: perfect films
>> One things that I would add to this qualification is that, besides
>> being a found film/video object presented in unaltered form (as
>> found), to me, a "perfect film," as defined (more or less) by
>> Jacobs, is that it (the film) is selected/found by the artist and
>> presented somehow as his or her own work--not in a deceptive way
>> but, with the act of selection and presentation being the artistic
>> gesture, but with a commentary made, perhaps not primarily, on the
>> artists' own work (and yes, this favors artists with established
>> bodies of work). I.e. Jacobs' PERFECT FILM, *seems* like a Jacobs
>> film; WORKS AND DAYS elaborates Frampton's work (the film is
>> actually "signed" by him I believe. Liotta's MOST BEAUTIFUL
>> SCIENCE EXPERIMENTS series too. I would not consider, for example,
>> any of the "Found Film Festival" Wendy's burger flipping type
>> stuff to be "perfect films," strictly speaking. Taking this
>> definition, to state counter to Andrew lampert, the list of "perfect
>> films" (strictly speaking) becomes very short, although the use of
>> large parts of unaltered material in works is not.
>> Worth mentioning in the discussion is the alleged mis-delivery of
>> the Jesus-on-a-donkey film incorporated into SCORPIO RISING.
>> Steve Polta
>> --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Scott Stark <email suppressed> wrote:
>>> From: Scott Stark <email suppressed>
>>> Subject: Re: perfect films
>>> To: email suppressed
>>> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 8:39 AM
>>> At 07:51 PM 07/28/2008 -0400, Tom B Whiteside wrote:
>>> >This has been a good thread. My vote for the most
>>> perfect perfect film
>>> >goes to the eponymous, "Perfect Film" by Ken
>>> Jacobs. It is truly amazing -
>>> >not only for the story of its existence (cool enough),
>>> but what it is on
>>> >screen. Unsettling, profound, real.
>>> One thing that's particularly fascinating about that
>>> film is that, as I
>>> understand it, it was a reel of outtakes, spliced together
>>> by some editor
>>> as a convenience without any particular structure in mind.
>>> So what we're
>>> seeing becomes an inadvertent record of what was not shown,
>>> which in many
>>> ways reveals more than the public version probably did. I
>>> think that's part
>>> of the irony of Ken's title.
>>> I remember Jeanne Liotta showing a Hollis Frampton
>>> ready-made in San
>>> Francisco a few years ago, with a man and woman tending to
>>> a small produce
>>> garden. It was beautiful, simple, and has stuck in my mind
>>> since then.
>>> Don't recall the title though.
>>> Some long-time frameworkers may remember a discussion I
>>> started back in the
>>> mid-90s (yes, frameworks is going on 13 years old!) about a
>>> group of
>>> amateur films by a guy named Fred McLeod who made a
>>> charming little 16mm
>>> opus about his golf swing. The Orgone Cinema folks were
>>> showing it as an
>>> art film. There was an interesting discussion about
>>> artistic intentionality
>>> and transplanting things from their original context. The
>>> discussion's no
>>> longer in the archive but digest versions of all archives
>>> are available on
>>> request from the site (
>>> Scott
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