From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Jun 07 2008 - 12:01:26 PDT
Semi- apropos tale from last night. I attended a
concert which featured mostly improvised computer
music. At one point during one of the sets I saw
an LCD bus marquee reflected in a back window of
the gallery behind the musicians. For that
moment it seemed a better visual accompaniment to
the music than anything one could have devised.
At 7:26 PM +0100 6/7/08, esperanza collado wrote:
>very interesting conversation about found
>footage work on film... I think the term objet
>trouvé could be the source -or at least quite
>relates to that of "found footage". I dont know
>the origin of the latter but the notion of objet
>trouvé is often associated to Marcel Duchamp's
>La Fountain and other Ready-Made pieces, and
>maybe loosely to chance operations too (and
>therefore John Cage and the Fluxus movement).
>I would be interesting to investigate
>connections in experimental poetry of the 1920s
>another tangential thought: I recently read
>Peter Burger's "Theory of the Avant-Garde",
>which is a very exciting approach on avant-garde
>practices on the whole. there is a chapter about
>certain principles often found in avant-garde
>works and, without intending to construct
>categories, Burger states that notions of
>allegory, chance, montage are significant in
>such works. He never talks directly about found
>footage, but there are lots of connections... he
>says, for instance, that the procedures invented
>by the avant-garde with antiartistic intend are
>used with artistic ends...
>I just found collage and montage -as principles
>rather than techniques!- so interesting, I didnt
>know -as David said- artists refuse in current
>times to use the term. Anyhow, here are two
>magnificent quotes I alway know by memory (!)
>Eisenstein: "the form of montage is a
>restoration of the laws of the process of
>thought, which in turn restores moving reality
>in process of unrolling".
>Burroughs: "the cut-up technique is closer to
>the actual factors of perception. When looking
>at a window, going down the street, looking
>around a room, etc., consciousness is being cut
>but random factors. Life is a cut-up rather than
>a straight linear narrative."
>sorry if i didnt help. hopefully it was slightly amusing!
>2008/6/7 David Tetzlaff <<mailto:email suppressed>:
>A collage can include a variety of materials,
>which are not necessarily found objects.
>A found-footage film may or may not be edited in
>a manner that fits the term 'collage' and in
>fact, (c.f. Ken Jacobs 'Perfect Film' and 'Urban
>Peasants') may not be edited at all. (The
>transformations of found footage in the context
>of Jacobs' Nervous System performances doesn't
>fit the concept of collage really either...).
>Other filmmakers have created works that focus
>on altering the image of found works, rather
>than cutting and pasting: Naomi Uman's
>'Removed', Peggy Ahwesh's 'Color of Love'.
>Perhaps 'found footage' is employed because it
>fits a wider set of practices, and focuses on
>the act of appropriation rather than
>And it's not exactly that one term has replaced
>the other. People still refer to collage: there
>was a conference at the U of Iowa a few years
>ago called "Collage as Cultural Intervention"
>covering everything from Dada to hip-hop.
>It does seem though that the term collage has
>fallen somewhat out of fashion, that many people
>who are making collage works don't use the term
>or don't use it much. Perhaps it gained a sort
>of lumpen connotation by its use in grade school
>art assignments, art therapy, etc. that
>contemporary artistes want to avoid?
>Just speculation, which doesn't answer your question, of course....
>does anybody knows when, where and by whom the term "found-footage"
>was invented, replacing the older term "collage" for those films?
>Thanx in advance for any hint,
>Marcel Schwierin ::: curator ::: filmmaker
>Chausseestr. 11 ::: 10115 Berlin ::: Germany
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