Re: Circles and St Jude

From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Jan 09 2008 - 08:21:51 PST


Yay! Thanks Julia!!

I'm going to write to you off-list.

That would be wonderful! :)

love

Freya

--- Julia Knight <email suppressed>
wrote:

> Hi Freya,
>
> Just catching up on email and only just seen this.
> There have been a
> few short articles written about Circles (and the
> other women's
> distributor from the 1980s, Cinema of Women) which I
> have copies of.
> If you send me an address, I can send you
> photocopies tomorrow
> might just get to you in time! Hope the
> alt-fv-distribution.net info
> site has been some help
>
> Best
> Julia
>
> On 9 Jan 2008, at 02:15, Freya wrote:
>
> > Thanks Steven!
> >
> > I'm up't North right now still but I may just do
> that!
> > William Rose was suggesting this to me only a few
> > months ago. It sounds like an exciting place if
> you
> > will have me. :)
> >
> > I worked out about cinenova after Dr Wees told me
> the
> > page numbers to read! *giggle* Lately I feel like
> I'm
> > only half awake I'm so out of it. Oh well, I hope
> the
> > other half is still having a good dream!
> >
> > love
> >
> > Freya
> >
> > --- Steven Ball <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> >> Freya,
> >>
> >> If you're in London come and see us at the
> British
> >> Artists' Film and
> >> Video Study Collection (see
> >> www.studycollection.org.uk) at Central St
> >> Martins, we have a lot of material.
> >>
> >> Re Circles, you know it became Cinenova which is
> >> still in existence,
> >> see:
> >> http://www.cinenova.org.uk
> >>
> >> Steven Ball
> >>
> >> On 8 Jan 2008, at 22:39, Freya wrote:
> >>
> >>> Danni I love you! Thanks! :)
> >>>
> >>> I've already learned some intresting things from
> >> there
> >>> too.
> >>>
> >>> This experimental film thing is certainly a
> >>> complicated affair! I never thought when I
> started
> >>> looking into it that I would find out so many
> >> things.
> >>> I feel a bit like I've fallen down the rabbit
> >> hole.
> >>>
> >>> I found that with many things lately, theres
> >> always
> >>> such a wealth of things below the surface. Some
> of
> >> the
> >>> stuff I've stumbled into lately has really
> shocked
> >> me
> >>> to the core, so all the experimental film stuff
> >>> shouldn't suprise me so much.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I've somehow over the years moved the
> >> world
> >>> that exists in my imagination, closer to the
> world
> >> the
> >>> way I would like it to be, as opposed to the way
> >> that
> >>> it really is. IYSWIM.
> >>>
> >>> Apart from the David Curtis book, I'm also
> finding
> >>> "Experimental Cinema in the digital age"
> >> incredibly
> >>> useful. Malcolm Le Grice seems to have sort of
> >>> accepted the role of Arch Villan in it all and
> >> then
> >>> goes about documenting it!
> >>>
> >>> It's really useful because you get all kinds of
> >>> different views in one book. Sadly theres not a
> >>> feminist critique of Malcolm in there ;) which
> is
> >> why
> >>> I'd like to track down some more information
> about
> >>> circles. It seems from the stuff that David
> Curtis
> >>> writes about that there was a whole bunch of
> stuff
> >>> that arose from "Film as Film", it's a shame
> that
> >>> there wasn't a documented debate of some sort.
> >>> Obviously that would be out of the scope of
> >> David's
> >>> book but it would have been so good to have had
> >>> something like that in Malcolms book. I imagine
> >> that
> >>> Malcolm feels like he has been fed to the lions
> >> enough
> >>> times already however! ;)
> >>>
> >>> I wish I had found Peter Gidal's book at the
> start
> >> of
> >>> my research because it's not an easy read (first
> >> word
> >>> I read was adumbrated) and I'm really feeling
> >> booked
> >>> out. I'm going to have to find a way to watch
> MTV
> >> for
> >>> a couple of days or something to recover! ;) He
> >> seems
> >>> to be the man to go to if you want a lot of
> >> political
> >>> theory however. He also seems to be quite a Pan
> >> like
> >>> figure. Very mischevious. Do you think he called
> >> the
> >>> book "Materialist film" to annoy the hell out of
> >>> Malcolm? ;)
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, it's kind of nice to see all these
> >> different
> >>> viewpoints and it's really good that they are
> >> being at
> >>> least partly documented. It's a shame that
> >> everyone
> >>> can't work together more and make a diverse
> >>> alternative cinematic space, (theres so few
> people
> >>> into this stuff already) but maybe that is
> >> something
> >>> that just needs to evolve over time.
> >>>
> >>> I'm drifting into book reviews almost which I'll
> >> save
> >>> for another day.
> >>>
> >>> love
> >>>
> >>> Freya
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Danni Zuvela <email suppressed> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Freya
> >>>>
> >>>> Happily there's recently been some extensive
> >>>> research into the history of
> >>>> alternative film and video distribution in the
> UK
> >> by
> >>>> Julia Knight and Peter
> >>>> Thomas. Check it out:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://alt-fv-distribution.net/papers.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Book will be too late for you but there are
> >> papers
> >>>> aplenty here - good luck
> >>>> writing yours
> >>>>
> >>>> danni
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 9, 2008 3:41 AM, Freya
> >> <email suppressed>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm presently working on my dissertation which
> I
> >>>> now
> >>>>> have less than a week to write! Yay! ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While reasearching I have frequently come
> across
> >>>>> referances to "circles". The group is
> mentioned
> >> a
> >>>> few
> >>>>> times in the David Curtis book "A history
> of..."
> >>>> and
> >>>>> I've just opened the Peter Gidal book
> >> "Materialist
> >>>>> Film" for the first time and seen a referance
> >>>> there
> >>>>> too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From what I can tell neither book seems to
> have
> >>>> any
> >>>>> details about the group and so far I havn't
> >>>> managed to
> >>>>> find any information. Does anyone here know
> >> more,
> >>>>> either suggested books where I might read
> about
> >>>> the
> >>>>> group or even personal experiences of anyone
> who
> >>>> knew
> >>>>> anything about the group, or even failing that
> >> if
> >>>>> anyone who knows of someone who might have
> been
> >>>>> involved who I could contact briefly to chat
> >> about
> >>>> it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Perhaps if anyone even knows how I could
> contact
> >>>> Lis
> >>>>> Rhodes who was apparently a founder according
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> Lux website?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any information would be welcome. I know
> >> virtually
> >>>>> nothing about the group, including even if it
> is
> >>>> still
> >>>>> going or if not what happened to it. It's
> >>>> intresting
> >>>>> because I knew quite a bit about the film
> co-op
> >>>> and
> >>>>> even a tiny bit about the free cinema movement
> >> but
> >>>> I'd
> >>>>> not even heard about circles till it was
> >> mentioned
> >>>> in
> >>>>> these books.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've come across some amazing and wonderful
> >> books
> >>>> in
> >>>>> my reasearch and will be telling you more
> about
> >>>> them
> >>>>> soon when I have a bit of a moment (er now is
> >> not
> >>>> a
> >>>>> good time!) ;) but if I had one big criticism
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> David Curtis book (which I'm loving actually!)
> >>>> it's
> >>>>> that it seems to stress the importance of
> >> circles
> >>>> a
> >>>>> few times but then doesn't really tell us
> >> anything
> >>>>> about it or its history.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also if it's not being too greedy, if anyone
> >> wants
> >>>> to
> >>>>> tell me more about London Video Arts, I'd love
> >> to
> >>>> hear
> >>>>> about it. I know a little but would love to
> know
> >>>> more!
> >>>>> That's less important tho, although I guess it
> >>>> might
> >>>>> also be useful but I'm mostly just really,
> >> really
> >>>>> curious about it. ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope someone can help in any way. I might just
> >> not
> >>>> be
> >>>>> looking in the right places!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> love
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Freya
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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