From: Madison Brookshire (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 08:20:24 PDT
Jason Livingston wrote:
>
> and, just to get the ball rolling, NOT Flaming Creatures!
>
Okay, I'll bite.
Flaming Creatures is one the most radical films I've seen. I suppose I
should support that statement: I've never seen anything else like it.
I know of only a few things to even compare it to.
But, I'm not in an argumentative mode and it would probably be more
useful to ask why you decided to cross it off the list.
Genuinely curious,
Madison
Los Angeles
On 10/9/07, jason livingston <email suppressed> wrote:
> Hello DB and others
>
> Radical filmmaking -- or radical anything -- would seem to be specific to a
> historical moment (particular, of that moment) and also have to be always
> consistent in the following manner: constituting a break from the styles AND
> powers-that-be. What's unclear to me is whether a once-radical film can
> retain its radicality. Perhaps so. I'd love to see that list!
>
> For now, here's a handful, in no order, and with no claims to long-lasting
> radical effect (though I've made some effort to nominate candidates for such
> a distinction)
>
> The Flicker, Tony Conrad
> Unsere Afr., Peter Kubelka
> Shoah, C. Lanzmann
> (incomplete gestures toward films about class analysis and films that stage
> meaningful encounters with individuals, always needed, rarely seen)
>
> and, just to get the ball rolling, NOT Flaming Creatures!
>
> Often a claim is made that serious explorations of duration always pose
> radical questions about viewing, experience and consumption. What do you
> all think? Me, I'm a fence-sitter on that one...
>
> Jason
> Ithaca, NY
>
> http://jasontlivingston.com/
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> >From: db <email suppressed>
> >Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
> >To: email suppressed
> >Subject: seeking recommendations
> >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:20:10 -0700
> >
> >I was chatting with a friend today and we started discussing the words
> >"radical" and "filmmaking" within the same sentence. Got me thinking about
> >a lot of films that would, for me, fit into such a genre (for lack of a
> >better word).
> >
> >My dictionary describes genre as:
> >a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature,
> >characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter
> >
> >Such a definition seems rather anti-radical to me, so I'd like to toss out
> >a call for recommendations of films that, to members of this list, would
> >be considered radical.
> >
> >I'd rather not provide examples that have crossed my mind as I'd prefer to
> >receive suggestions based upon unmediated (unguided?) ideas of what
> >constitutes radical filmmaking.
> >
> >If anyone has suggestions please send them along, on or off-list.
> >
> >db
> >
> >
> >
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