From: Chris Kennedy (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Sep 30 2007 - 23:39:34 PDT
Of course, if its a reversal print it just might look better than a new
restoration. Wasn't really aware of this until a friend pointed out this as
a problem with some restorations, that they can't always replicate the
richness of some older prints. It is impressive to hear from people with a
longer visual memory for some of this work, that they can notice/care for
For my money, the 35mm restoration of Scorpio Rising doesn't have the same
punch that the 16mm print from Canyon has, well used or no. The 35mm is a
museum object now, more grainy and diffuse, while the 16mm is still a
focused mono wham to the eye & ear. You can dance to the 16mm, for the 35mm
you just have to sit still.
Of course, my money isn't going to buy me a Brakhage print anytime soon,
ebay or no :)
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:05:42 -0400
> From: John Matturri <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: overpriced Brakhage on eBay?
> I used to think that the notion of a vintage print in photography was nothing
> but a marketing scam, which it largely is. But that might not be so where the
> materials for the original print weren't available for the later print. That
> will happen increasingly in both photography and film as materials disappear.
> It may be the even a beat up print might have historical importance in
> suggesting what an ideal print might be like (perhaps in anticipation of
> possible future digital processes that will be able to reproduce the effect of
> a particular print stock perfectly). Whether that historical importance, if it
> exists, is worth the extra cash, I have no idea.
> Fred Camper:
> "Vintage prints" do not mean the same thing in avant-garde film as they do in
> the photo world. There, the photographer has typically made a "vintage" print
> her- or him-self, and near the time the image was shot. Many avant-garde
> filmmakers did not even check the prints that came back from the lab very
> carefully. Also, a "vintage" film print may have been projected dozens of
> times, and have scratches and splices and coffee stains and more.
> Fred Camper
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