From: MARLON GONZALEZ (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Aug 06 2007 - 20:18:31 PDT
I agree. Well put.
mg
>From: flick harrison <email suppressed>
>Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>To: email suppressed
>Subject: Re: protest nyc's proposed film and photo law
>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:56:17 -0700
>
>Ben & Marlon,
>
>I do agree with you that breaking the rules (laws) is sometimes, even
>frequently necessary (and fun). Ben, you seem to have taken "illegality"
>itself as a creative concern and that's totally valid & interesting.
>
>But surely, given the choice, if I could do an activity illegally or do
>the exact same activity legally, I would rather NOT break the law.
>
>If I can stop a bad law, that's a heckuva lot better than looking over my
>shoulder the rest of my life. Parliamentary democracy is f**ked in a
>number of ways but most of the public sees it as legitimate, so when even
>the disengaged public can be roused against terrible legislation, that's
>better for all of us: for every ten "not in my backyard"ers who drop out
>of the fray soon after, there'll be one or two newly-awakened activists.
>
>Also, if you don't stop bad laws when you can - in this case, so far, the
>signs are encouraging - then you are leaving those less reckless to swing
>in the breeze. I.e. people with kids, or even people who need clean
>criminal records like teachers, can't exactly afford to do jail time the
>way us young punks can. Thus, allies drop away if you let the state
>criminalize legitimate social activity.
>
>
>
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>On 5-Aug-07, at 12:52 AM, ben d wrote:
>
>>I've stayed out of this so far, but finally need to weigh in. We need to
>>recognize there are two kinds of artists, and perhaps people, in the
>>world those who get permission and those who do shit by any means. Those
>>who ask have all the reasons of the state and capital to back them.
>>Neo-liberalism has been a discourse of closing the public sphere to the
>>private home. At the same time those of us who desire the freedom to take
>>risks and make work on our own terms need to fight for it. Those of us in
>>Canada know the regulations imposed by the National Film Board legal
>>department if we are lured into working with them. The state continues to
>>draw tighter within this current time of structural adjustment on a
>>global level. Capital has seized the public sphere and those of us who
>>resist will be illegalized, will we stop? I know i won't, almost all my
>>shooting is already illegal. This struggle matters to fight the rise of
>>control but only to those of us effected by it will fight it.
>>
>>First they came for.... (In NYC: the squats, the bars without cabaret
>>licences, the graffitti, the parks, the rent controlled apartments,
>>protesters and activists, the filmmakers and artists (as ridiculous as it
>>seems), next?
>>
>>All that being said, i want the industrial film crews out of my
>>neighbourhood. They are here for the aesthetic and they pay the city for
>>it. What about an air-horn campaign every time a sync clap sounds in
>>marginalized neighbourhoods?
>>
>>Hope all are well and sleeping off the spleen.
>>
>>Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>"It is a society, and not a technique, which has made the cinema like
>>this. It could have been historical examinations, theory, essay, memoirs.
>>It could have been the film I am making at this moment." - Guy Debord
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Cari Machet <email suppressed>
>>>Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List
>>><email suppressed>
>>>To: email suppressed
>>>Subject: Re: protest nyc's proposed film and photo law
>>>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 01:59:57 -0400
>>>
>>>On 8/4/07, owen <email suppressed> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I was wondering when you'd resort to name calling.
>>> >
>>>
>>>it's no resort
>>>it is the use of the amagdyla part of jimmy's brain
>>>he has retreated there because he knows he has no argument - no logic
>>>base
>>>and that is where all little bad boys go
>>>it is the reptilian part of the brain - yes it is going back that far in
>>>evolution
>>>pathetic
>>>
>>>c
>>>
>>>Owen
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 4, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Jim Carlile <email suppressed> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What a bunch of condescending morons. And I thought people in NY were
>>> > supposed to be smarter?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >>Jim, are you one of those people who's never done anything which
>>> > conflicts with authority? That's why >>you've never been reluctant
>>>to ask
>>> > permission? You love rules because it weeds out the riff-raff? A few
>>>years
>>> > ago students at Valley College in L.A. got into big trouble-- they
>>>were
>>> > filming an assigned public service message, and when they showed up
>>>as gang
>>> > members one night in some alley in North Hollywood, all hell broke
>>>loose.
>>> > Neighbors freaked, police rounded them all up, and quite a
>>>complication
>>> > ensued. Point? Get permits. If you are refused, that's another
>>>issue...then
>>> > the free speech factors kick in.
>>> > >>You're not seriously comparing two people having a 31-minute picnic
>>>with
>>> > a cell phone camera (thus >>needing a film permit) to a bunch of
>>>people
>>> > simulating a gang fight in the alley at night?
>>> > >>This is getting ludicrous, but okay:
>>> > >.>"Sure, you've got a film permit, homeboy. Keep your hands out of
>>>your
>>> > pockets."
>>> > >>Jeez.
>>> > >>Talk about your ridiculous examples.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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