Re: protest nyc's proposed film and photo law Thurs Aug 2 Union Sq

From: Jim Carlile (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Aug 05 2007 - 19:10:47 PDT

>>Having said that I don't think that just because I
>>might not be allowed to film on the streets of London,
>>that people shouldn't be allowed to film on the
>>streets of other cities.
>>Why would I think that, it seems kind of mean spirited
>>and selfish. Like I'm having a really bad time so
>>everyone else has to as well.

>>Isn't the situation in New York at the moment that
>>there are no rules, and hasn't it been like that for
>>some time, in which case hasn't it already happened???
They ARE allowed to film. Like most American cities, New York already has
some pretty stringent filming rules. What was happening was that police were
enforcing them arbitrarily, or were imposing commercial rules on individuals.
What the brain-dead opponents don't realize here is that these new rules are
actually a liberalized version of what was going on. Now, any individual can
film whatever they want on public property, with NO time limits. Groups can
film without limitation for up to 30 minutes without a permit. If the group
has a tripod, they get 10 minutes.
There is a legitimate gripe about the permit process, but that will get
cleared up. And this "picnickers with cameras will now be breaking the law" is a
ridiculously phony argument against the rules. It's disingenuous, too, because
 the "artists" on this list could care less about picnickers (the ACLU,
It never was the case that there were NO rules-- that's a myth. With these
new ones, cops can't just throw you out-- they can try, but they won't be able
to defend themselves for long. Before that, they could.
These rules are extremely reasonable-- arguing about them is like arguing
about stop signs.
I've never seen such irrationality as some of these other postings.
Ignorant, evasive, invective-filled. Disgusting.

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