Re: individualism in films

From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Feb 11 2007 - 20:46:14 PST


umn at risk of being a snob i think that twelve monkeys is a bastardization
("inspired by...")
and super not as intense or alive
le jette is about as perfect as it gets

c

On 2/11/07, Ken Bawcom <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> I am of course, aware of the 'connection' between these two, very
> different, and very good films. Since they ARE so different, it makes
> me "lol" when people compare them, as they often do. I enjoy them both
> very much.
>
> For Sam, about "Pursued," the title pretty much sums up the plot.
> Mitchum is aware that there is something sinister in his
> childhood/past, he is being hidden out, and someone(s) are after him,
> but he does not know why. Still he has grown to be an amiable, good
> person, but must discover, and confront, the 'demons' that pursue him,
> pretty much on his own, with not much in the way of allies.
>
> Ken B.
>
>
> Quoting Cari Machet <email suppressed>:
>
> > "twelve monkey's"
> > lol
> >
> > "le jette"
> >
> > c
> >
> > On 2/11/07, Ken Bawcom <email suppressed> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm a film noir fan, and of course, individualism is what film noir is
> >> all about. For a modern film, "Memento" springs to mind. Classics, like
> >> "Out of the Past," and "D.O.A." are well known examples. Two underrated
> >> and lesser know favorites of mine are both film noir westerns, starring
> >> Robert Mitchum. They are "Pursued," and "Blood on the Moon." For modern
> >> sci fi, I can't think of better examples than "Twelve Monkeys," and
> >> "Blade Runner." I could go on and on, but you get the idea.
> >>
> >> Ken B.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting gyoungblood <email suppressed>:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Jack. That's a very helpful list. You couldn't do better even
> >> > if I went into greater detail of what I'm looking for. If anyone can
> >> > think of other titles from the last decade, or classic beloved titles
> >> > from any era, please send them on.
> >> >
> >> > The thesis underlying this search is hardly original: namely, that
> >> > individualism works against the exercise of collective political will
> >> > and is, therefore, essential for social control in so-called
> >> > democracies. My contibution is to suggest that, given the current
> >> > historically unprecedented need for global collective action,
> >> > individualist socialization amounts to a crime against humanity. I
> >> > have no time to discuss this any further on Frameworks. I just want
> >> > help in assembling a list of those movies so that I can consign them,
> >> > and would-be makers of similar narratives, to imperialist hell.
> >> > Thanks again...
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Jack Sargeant
> >> > To: email suppressed
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:59 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] individualism in films
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I think perhaps some more thorough / in-depth details of what you
> >> > need may help, but, in terms of what I think you want (all recent
> >> > titles):
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Children of Men - one pregnant girl and an old lefty fight to save
> >> > humanity from dystopic end
> >> > V For Vendetta - one man starts a revolution against fascist
> >> > government thanks to inspiring pranks, interestingly the
> >> > revolutionaries all adopt his identity which may not help your
> thesis.
> >> > Borat - in the film Borat makes his country 'modern' having learned
> >> > from his trip to USA
> >> > The Queen - Blair saves royal family and Britain
> >> > The Departed - one man alone against organized crime
> >> > Shortbus - one nightclub and one woman's search for an orgasm
> >> > suggest that there is hope for the wider tragedies of modern world
> >> > Marie Antoinette - one woman takes on the weight of two nations and
> >> > parties then discovers responsibility at the end
> >> > Manderlay - one woman takes on the weight of history and slavery
> >> > Happy Feet - one penguin faces the ocean and international fishing
> >> > industries to save fish for penguins, interestingly he teaches the
> >> > other penguins the importance of collective action so this my not fit
> >> > entirely, but for 99% of the film he is the loner.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > God knows what this list says about my recent viewing habits, I
> >> > promise I also attend all the art house and avant garde screenings as
> >> > well!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > am I the first person to write about Happy Feet and Borat on
> >> Frameworks?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jack
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > On 7 Feb 2007, at 06:01, gyoungblood wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Frameworkers,
> >> > I posted this request during the Christmas holiday and got only
> >> > one response. So, thinking that was not the best time to ask, I'm
> >> > doing it again now. I'm trying to assemble a list of feature films in
> >> > which collective problems are presented and resolved on the personal,
> >> > individual level. Of course that's 99.9% of all Hollywood films
> >> > (Frank Capra, "Casablanca," "The Insider" are examples). I'm looking
> >> > for recent titles, the more admired the better. Your input will be
> >> > greatly appreciated, and will contribute to my documentary project on
> >> > the role of industrial cinema in socialization and social control.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gene Youngblood
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> >> "Those who would give up essential liberty
> >> to purchase a little temporary safety
> >> deserve neither liberty, nor safety."
> >> Benjamin Franklin 1775
> >>
> >> "I know that the hypnotized never lie... Do ya?"
> >> Pete Townshend 1971
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> "Those who would give up essential liberty
> to purchase a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty, nor safety."
> Benjamin Franklin 1775
>
> "I know that the hypnotized never lie... Do ya?"
> Pete Townshend 1971
>
>
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