Re: helen hill - response

From: Jack Sargeant (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Jan 15 2007 - 14:24:02 PST

Cari - i'm not sure how i am projecting hate, there appeared to be a
discussion about it in previous posts. i'll take you up on that
therapist, thanks for the heads up about my psychological state.

Freya - i am not angry or upset by you (or anybody here), i am just
wary of creating icons and projecting too much onto one person, i
think it becomes counter productive.

of course you are right that you shouldn't have a problem with being
self-indulgent (perhaps a poor choice of words in my original post),
and yes i can understand that following a member of the experimental
film community dying in a horrible way it is a legitimate response,
but i am wary of projecting too much onto one person or reading too
much into one pointless and tragic act.

i don't want to dwell on the politics of the USA particularly but my
point about N.O and crime was that neither political party actually
stopped the poverty and the cycles of violence related to it so that
simply hating the current government is fairly pointless.

as Saul observed my closing comment was actually more therapy-speak
than the rest of my post, my point was that ultimately our response
to these situations is what matters, and for me drawing an example
from somebody's life always made sense.


On 16 Jan 2007, at 07:19, Cari Machet wrote:

> as it is MLK day
> i am in the mood for this discussion
> i think that perhaps jack is projecting the hate thing
> plus
> being in denial about ANY feelings and stuffing them
> is not anything remotely within therapy
> - not any therapist that should have a lisence -
> the melaise of lacking feelings such as 'sadness'
> and 'hate' is exactly why this culture is so discusting
> materialism fills the wholes where real life could b felt
> jacks 'could b therapist' is not of any intelligence i know
> plus conclusions that have nothing to do with the texts body
> are not necessarily real conclusions
> see any bush speech
> to state as an argument that it shouldn't matter what people do in
> their life
> - we shouldn't be effected by the death of someone who is actually
> making art, or possibly a difference in the hegemony -
> is just stupid
> plus making these emotional realms of mourning into acedemic banter
> for the amusement of ur little brain is just repulsive
> wake up saul - and jack
> read some walt whitman
> maybe it will open ur hearts and minds below the level of the surface
> you are presented by the shollow masses
> c
> On 1/15/07, saul ostrow <email suppressed> wrote:
> actually given Jack's conclusion - I don't think he needs a
> therapist but could be one
> On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
>> jack please go to a therapist
>> perhaps, rather than dwell on her death as a source for sadness and
>> hate, use the example of her life...
>> jack
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