From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Aug 24 2006 - 12:41:05 PDT
On 8/24/06, Adam Trowbridge <email suppressed> wrote:
> > On 8/21/06, Adam Trowbridge <email suppressed> wrote:
> >> > hmmn i don't know
> >> > i don't think that seeing a problem as too large for any one
> >> organization
> >> > or one person leads us to effective action
> >> What sort of action? Effective at what, for who?
> > lets put it this way if ghandi or mlk (and alot of artists)
> > thought the way u do
> > alot of crap would be in way worse a space than it is now so...
> > i don't really 'understand' ur confusion here
> I see no connection whatsoever between making sarcastic comments on a
> listserv and the civil rights movement (or any example of effective
> political action or attempt at discussion). This is my confusion here.
what i was talking about was you stated
(para) that it was too large of a problem for any one organization or person
so the connect was that that type of thinking
is problematically inaccurate
and gets us no-where
the thinking that any problem is too large for one organization or person to
is very problematic for effecting change in any increment or degree
the malaise within keeping ur mouth shut about issues
that need to be handled worked out and solved
is directly correlated with issues of civil rights (presently)
voice w/ or w/ out sarcasm is deeply needed in all dark corners
>> Voicing disagreement is a neutral activity that can be effective or
> >> ineffective, depending on the goal. In the case of the Tank
> >> criticism, I missed the intent. I didn't see any specific questions
> >> raised.
> > you say voicing disagreement is nuetral
> > just bcause u say that doesn't make it fact
> > all subversive activity disagrees w/ u
> > do u know nothing of political activity whatsoever?
> > (let alone alot of other activity)
> I know nothing about the act of disagreeing by snide remarks being
> effective political activity. It seems to be the sort of discourse that
> passes for political activity now, especially on right-wing internet
> message boards and blogs, but I don't know that it's a positive thing.
how is it that u produce 'political' subversive activity
please let us know
i am not saying that all such activity is wholly positive
( i do not believe such black and white activity is reality)
but i think it is super problematic to get hung up in the
superficial 'tone' of anyone's post
while ignoring the meat of the discussed
- further i think that hinders discourse -
also i think i can respect that others have different ways of expressing
for varying reasons
and i attempt toward non-judgement
rather looking deeper at the content
and the underbelly - subtext for the trueth of what is being said
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