From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Aug 23 2006 - 13:29:13 PDT
> As I see it, if you make films, and are not an
> established 'name', you
> should be thankful that a programmer in Manhattan is
> willing to look at
> your stuff and maybe show it, by whatever means
> necessary. The assumption
That's a really, really, really weird suggestion. Why
should I care if a programmer in Manhatten is "willing
to look at my stuff"? It's far away and it's surely up
You even make it sound like they don't really want to
but are doing it out of the goodness of their heart or
something. Surely if they don't want to watch a bunch
of films then don't watch them! I certainly don't want
to be foisting my work onto people who aren't
interested in watching it, that's a really horrible
idea. If people like watching films, then that is
great and they are welcome to do so, if not I
certainly don't want to have to pay them to compensate
them for the suffering of watching my "stuff". That's
just really, really horrible and I'm sure is not what
the Tank people were suggesting.
In fact if they don't like watching films then they
should consider taking up something else instead.
Planting trees maybe, after all trees are good for
I might be grateful to people who saw my films and
liked them, or even people who didn't like my films
but gave me encouragement, or even people who
absolutely hated my films, and told me so, but were
nice to me in some way, but I can't see why I should
be grateful that somebody thousands of miles away is
willing to look at my stuff if I pay them to do so,
that is just really, really weird. Sorry. It just
doesn't make any sense to me. Actually I expect lots
of people are willing to look at my films if I pay
them. I don't think that this makes them better people
in any way or that I should be grateful for this.
> I would ask everyone here to re-examine is that your
> work has any
> intrinsic monetary value. This notion is simply not
?????? I've never examined it in the first place, and
mostly I don't care. Probably they have a value to me
that I wouldn't want to put a price on and that nobody
would be able to afford to pay me. I don't think
people make experimental films for financial reasons.
I think you are thinking of Treasure Planet or
Spiderman 4 or something.
> I would venture to say that with the proliferation
> of all sorts of
> low-cost moving image equipment -- between home
> movies showings to friends
> and family and YouTube etc. -- the majority of
> experiences now do not involve any sort of 'getting
> paid.' Experimental
or any submission fees.
> I can imagine that a lot of people could care less
> if their work is ever
> shown in Manhattan. There ARE screening venues that
> take new works and
> don't charge, and if you're content with the limits
> that come with that,
That's probably me then. I don't see that as a big
limitation, so your film isn't shown in Manhattan.
*shrug* Theres probably people in China and Africa who
will never see it either.
> fine. No reason to hassle Susan because her degree
> of difficulty (new work
> / volunteer / Manhattan) dictates artists have to
> chip in or the thing
> isn't going to happen. And for anyone who would like
If the artists want to chip in and like that kind of
arangement then that seems fine, if not then maybe the
thing shouldn't happen. I don't see why the artists
should feel obliged in any way.
> their work screened
> in Tribeca, why don't you try organizing a screening
> yourself instead of
That sounds like a good idea.
> pissing on somebody else's method. Form a collective
> with a bunch of other
> artists, work out programming, get a suitable
> screening space, put out
That sounds like a horrible idea. Much better to get
your own projector and find a place to show the films.
A garden sounds nice but I don't suppose it has to be
> pub... oh yeah, that all would take TIME and MONEY
> and YOU'RE not getting
er yeah????!!! Rather like filmmaking only cheaper.
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