Re: labels/original intent of post

From: Mitsu Hadeishi (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jul 02 2006 - 20:06:50 PDT

I don't see why it's necessary to ridicule my post --- the question I was
addressing was simply whether or not the general public used the term "film"
to refer also to HD films, and the answer is clearly yes. There were a
number of people claiming otherwise, which I just thought was silly enough to
be worth refuting.

But to say that this usage is merely a "lay" usage I believe is also
wrongheaded. Many of the people using this language are also professionals
in the field, people who make films for a living, or write about it, etc. To
say that only we on the Frameworks list live in the privileged ivory tower
and we're going to adhere to a usage that is at variance with common usage
(even among filmmakers --- sorry, I mean "movie-makers") is I think
counter-productive and confusing.

I for one have absolutely no problem calling Miranda's movie a "film shot on
HD" --- it is using the medium of HD, but it is a film. Of course, I also
happen to strongly believe that one ought to relate to different media in
terms of their properties and not in terms of some arbitrary mythology of
superiority. Film is, for the most part, superior to HD --- but not in every
respect, and certainly this is not going to last forever.


On Sunday 02 July 2006 20:23, john porter wrote:
> --- Ken Bawcom <email suppressed> wrote:
> > For purposes of discussion it is therefore more
> accurate,
> > and easier, to use the word "movie" as the general
> term,
> > and the word "film" when we really mean film, rather
> than
> > have to say something like 'a film shot on real
> film, not video.'
> Yes. Regardless of lay usage, for purposes of
> discussion HERE, we need a term referring to works
> shown by passing light through a strip of clear
> acetate. Sadly, it may end up being "real film". For
> decades now I've had to endure hearing people
> (including "avant-garde" filmmakers) refer to super 8
> films as "not real film"!
> Mitsu seems to accept Google is all-knowing, the last
> word for everyone. But obviously, on Frameworks we
> need this debate. Mitsu is the one saying "It's a
> fact. No discussion." (to paraphrase).
> John Porter, Toronto, Canada
> email suppressed
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