Re: labels

From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Jun 29 2006 - 12:37:09 PDT

On 6/29/06, Michael Betancourt <email suppressed> wrote:
> On 6/28/06, Cari Machet <email suppressed> wrote:
> > other animals that i know of make art
> > i knew an amazing gorilla named phil
> > that placed alot of release energy on pissing and throwing his food and
> > shit at people staring at him in the zoo
> > he was very famous
> > and now is stuffed as a zoo display
> > (yay taxidermy)
> > to me that is high level performance art
> > beyond that fluxus states that "art = life" so...
> > guess we need to look up 'meaning' in the dic
> >
> I'm not going to argue with you about this. Clearly you don't know what I
> think, and instead of answering the disucssion, you want to make a
> discussion where you can call others names. That is both rude and
> condescending.

when did i call you a name?
are u talking about 'egocentric'?
well i was calling ur thinking such
is that the same as calling someone a name?
hmmn - how should i explain why i disagree with someones thinking?
please post back the name i called you

i am more than happy to argue as that is one basis for diriving philosophy
if you are portraying my argueing as 'fighting'
then i think that is incorrect

i think i was talking about something u braught up
(ur 'answering the discussion')
which is that other beings besides us do not make art
i disagree
if i have completely missed what u think
why can't you tell me what you think
instead of diverting into presenting confusion or presenting me as a 'bad

But, my views are much more like those of the complex adaptive systems
> > > theorists who describe all interactions as "interpretations"
> > >
> >
> > sounds anthropocentric
> > i don't think the interaction of oxygen and plant life is an
> > interpretation
> >
> Interaction as in interactive engagement with the environment. Even
> bacteria do this, so I don't know what you're talking about.

i just don't see interaction as an interpretation
are you talking about quantum stuff?
that the data gathering process effects the data dirived?

transformation yes but...
> >
> > - how sad -
> > > > i am more of a rationalist
> > > > i have respect for all life forms
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't see how you got that I am not/do not from what I have said
> > > here or elsewhere in the past.
> > >
> >
> > well what u are stating here does not express respect in my mind
> > saying our processies are beyond other processies isn't respect to me
> > make an argument for how it is
> >
> No.
> I did't say that. That would be in your mind.
> It is not an excuse to be rude or condescending to someone you don't even
> know.

"know" is relative
but i am more talking of ideas - not personal per say
i am sorry that you feel i am being rude
my intent is to discuss ideas not be condescending
i was talking about that you don't think art is made by other beings
i think art = life and
i think art is made by other beings
i think i am being clear
ur statements b4 represent a phenomonoligists way of thinking
which is a philosophy based on the premise that reality consists of objects
and events as they are perceived or understood in human consciousness
and not of anything independent of human consciousness
(as per


Michael Betancourt
> Des Moines, IA USA
> the avant-garde film & video blog
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