Re: labels

From: Ken Bawcom (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jun 27 2006 - 16:08:26 PDT

Just to be obtuse, I will point out that:
there is a film of emulsion on acetate,
there is a film of magnetic oxide on tape,
and a film of aluminum atoms on a DVD.

I think that "movie" is as good an all-inclusive term as we have
available at the moment, even if it might be taken to mean a feature.

The question is, is the format pertinent to what you are discussing? Of
course it often is, and then spelling out original format, and
exhibition format can be important. But generally, I would use the term
that applied to a particular work's original form, when discussing it,
unless the display format was important to the discussion. So, Dog Star
Man would be a film, even if I watched it on DVD, unless I was
specifically referring to the DVD edition.

Ken Bawcom

Quoting Lundgren <email suppressed>:

> It's interesting to note (I think) that in the swedish language we
> don't have the two different words "movie" and "film".
> We only have "film" (it's written in the same way).
> This makes me think of Burch argument in the begining of "Theory of
> Film Practice"...
> So yes, I'd claim to be a film maker, at least in swedish. :)
> Björn Lundgren
> Sweden
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freya" <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:10 AM
> Subject: Re: labels
>> The word movie is useful if you need a word to cover
>> film and video although obviously it has certain
>> connotations.
>> You could say you were a movie maker or an
>> experimental movie maker I guess.
>> love
>> Freya
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john porter" <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:30 AM
> Subject: Re: labels
>> --- Lundgren <email suppressed> wrote:
>>> This is a very interesting discussion. :)
>>> I think that the term "film" is far beyond the
>>> material context.
>>> Otherwise we would have a really complex situation
>>> when a DVD-version (or
>>> VHS, LD, HD...) of a film wouldn't be a film.
>> That's right, a DVD of a film wouldn't be a film. It'd
>> be a video (digital VIDEO disc). It's not at all
>> complex. What's so difficult about calling a video a
>> "video"?
>> I've been discussing this issue for years, and in the
>> end I have one question that nobody can answer.
>> If the word "film" refers to video as well, then what
>> word do we all commonly use to refer specifically to
>> light passing through a strip of clear acetate (it
>> hasn't been celluloid for 80 years)? We have no other
>> word to serve that purpose.
>> And we don't need to appropriate the word "film" to
>> refer to both film and video. We already use "movie"
>> and "cinema" for that.
>> John Porter, Toronto, Canada
>> email suppressed
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