Re: Beaulieu 5008S / double system sound

From: email suppressed
Date: Tue Jun 20 2006 - 00:09:59 PDT


thanks for the reply, I'm well versed in all areas of post, and can get
great deals on telecine time here in LA so I would bump the footage to
digibeta or HD for editing purposes. (I have done super 8 to digibeta
in the past with great results.)

So it sounds like you feel that the good cameras don't drift that much
or that the cameras you work with drift in a perdictable manner.
Obviously I don't want to find myself in the situation of having to
adjust the audio speed several times within a clip, a la constantly
slipping and speed altering in protools. I doon't have that kind of
free time. It sounds like you are saying that a crystal control unit is
not necessary if using a Beaulieu or a Nizo or the high end Canon
cameras, yes? But taking the Beaulieu as an example, is the onboard
motor intended as a constant speed motor with a sync unit?

Why sync in super 8? I realize that its becomming less common these
days but for what I would like to achieve aesthically being able to
handle some dialogue would be great, also for an upcoming trip having
very light equipment would be terriffic.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Tetzlaff <email suppressed>
To: email suppressed
Sent: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:15:13 -0400
Subject: Beaulieu 5008S / double system sound

   Double system assumes you're going through some sort of post process
rather than just low-tech projecting of original. Double system S8
was never exactly common or workable. So I assume you'd be bumping your
original up to 16mm, or tranfering it to video. If you're doing so,
especially if its video, you can do double-system with pretty much any
camera that's not a piece of crap. Record your sound wild, but put in
and tail slates. Once you have the iamage transfered to anything with a
stable time base, time out the take between the sync mark and use a
computer audio program (e.g. ProTools, but freeware options exist) to
strech the audio between the sync marks to fit, and voila. There might
a small drift on long takes in and out, but on short shots you won't
notice it.

Depending on what kind of work you're thinking about, a bigger problem
might be finding a quiet camera, unless you want camera noise. Bealieaus
aren't exactly quiet, but in general S8 cameras aren't as loud as 16mm
cams, so I don't see the need to tghrow lots of your budget at a camera
for sync purposes.

BTW, aesthetically, I'm wondering why you want to do lip-synch in S8
anyway. The medium seems more suited to wild tracks, audio recorded
separate from picture, etc.

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