From: john porter (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Nov 18 2005 - 15:38:59 PST
Sorry everyone, this discussion probably doesn't
belong on frameworks,
but
since it's started...
I think this OK for Frameworks.
We're all workers, & we get to know each other this
way.
eg - R u L, R or C? It effects our filmmaking &
programmimg.
John.
--- jennifer fieber <email suppressed>
wrote:
> >like i said, labor conditions are ideal NOWHERE. 50
> million people don't
> >have health insurance in this country, not just the
> three projectionists at
> >IFC. (as a programmer/publicist, i have NEVER had
> it...does anybody who
> >works in indie-experimental film have health
> insurance/get paid enough,
> >etc?!?) let's look at the big picture/call me when
> you want to start the
> >movement-for-fairness for EVERYBODY (even just in
> indie film--maybe that's
> >even a managable goal; and i'm not sure unions are
> the answer to it,
> >either...)
> >
> > xo
> > c
>
> Sorry everyone, this discussion probably doesn't
> belong on frameworks, but
> since it's started...
>
> I didn't address this argument originally because I
> think it's a cop out for
> the specific case we were talking about. Whenever
> you debate about the
> relevance of unions today, you hear arguments that
> seem to be coming from
> well i'm not getting a fair deal, why should I care
> about some spoiled union
> guys who are trying to? When Jimmy HOffa comes up
> somehow proving all
> unions are corrupt and need to be anhillated, then
> you really know the
> discussion is going nowhere.
>
> I agree that workers rights have suffered immensely
> over the years for
> everyone. But if you go back a bit you'll find a
> lot of things we now take
> for granted came about because of the work of
> unions. Child labor laws, the
> 40 hour week (still too much if you ask me...),
> overtime compensation,
> health safety etc. I also like the comraderie of the
> members--where if one
> person is having a problem at a job everyone bands
> together to try to find a
> solution; in a corporation if someone is unfairly
> fired, everyone else there
> hunkers down and says, "ouch. glad that wasn't me."
> but remains silent.
>
> Bottom line, NY is a union town. Sorry. The IFC
> workers get the rate they
> do because of the precedent set by the union over
> the years about what a
> projectionist should get paid.
>
> Perhaps Zizek has something to say about all this
> which you can ask him over
> a drink. His book on Schilling was excellent. As
> far as the Pop culture &
> sex stuff, I think he's a fun read at times, but I
> wonder how much he really
> believes in his message and how much conveniently
> fits into his schtick. He
> tends to repeat his ideas and I'm not sure they are
> appropriate for all
> occasions. It's sure to be a good time
> though...Unions the answer? maybe
> not; perhaps vodka is?.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
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