From: Adam Hyman (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Nov 03 2005 - 17:21:46 PST
Hi John,
My apologies. My note was rude, and I could have found a better tone and
said it more productively. It's a good dream, and within the realm of the
possible.
What we are trying to do on the LA Filmforum web page (under Links) is link
to what appear to be web pages for various artists. I don't expect ours
will ever be complete; all of the others that you mention are more likely to
have a greater list of artists.
I think the key would be supporting a real home page with bio & filmography
for each artist. Such a page would only need to be done once. Each of the
distributor sites could then link to that same page. This already happens
to some degree, with several different sites linking to one home page. It
just would require more time to enter the links, the existence of up-to-date
home pages for the artists, active links. It is just labor (plus creativity
for the web site designs), but it is certainly plausible.
There are some people of course who aren't online, to the best of my
knowledge (Kenneth Anger for example). So someone would have to keep a site
for each of these people. E.g., Fred Camper's Brakhage pages.
There was a site that was trying to be an encyclopedia of experimental film
artists.
Ah, here's one:
http://cinovid.org/
No time right now to see its currency, but that's the idea.
Again, my apologies.
Best regards,
Adam
On 11/3/05 4:25 PM, "john porter" <email suppressed> wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> I can dream, can't I?
> I can share my dream here, can't I?
> I don't deny anything u said, or anybody's work.
> I don't expect anything from anybody.
> I don't know what's involved, but I want to learn.
> I'm still just learning that these projects even
> exist.
> Philip was able to enact my NYCoop Artists List idea
> quickly.
> I don't know why. He said my idea was good.
> I was encouraged by that to elaborate on my idea.
> Now I'm discouraged.
> I'm researching an idea. That's why I raised it.
> I won't learn about it otherwise.
> Isn't that what Frameworks is for?
> Tell me something useful about my idea.
> Thanks, John Porter, Toronto, Canada
>
>
> --- Adam Hyman <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Feel free to do it in your spare time. :-)
>>
>> More seriously, these are all understaffed and
>> underfinanced organizations.
>> Most of the online work is from labor of love. Who
>> do you expect to do this
>> work?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Adam Hyman
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/05 11:05 AM, "john porter"
>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>>
>>> To All,
>>> I would like to see a master list of all these
>>> filmmakers' names,
>>> linked to their page at their distributor, with
>> bios &
>>> complete filmographies, or linked to their
>> website?
>>>
>>> Currently:
>>>
>>> FLICKER
>>> List of 200 artists, linked to their
>> websites/pages,
>>> w/ bios & complete filmographies.
>>>
>>> NY COOP
>>> List of films w/ descriptions, sorted by artist.
>>> No list of all 863 artists' names w/ links. Just
>> 57.
>>> Now Philip Hood's site has list of Coop's artists,
>> w/
>>> links to their films.
>>> No bios or complete filmographies.
>>>
>>> CANYON
>>> List of its 400 artists.
>>> Linked to their films at Canyon, w/ descriptions.
>>> No bios or complete filmographies.
>>>
>>> CFMDC
>>> List of films w/ descriptions, sorted
>> alphabetically.
>>> Linked to artist's page w/ bio & their films at
>> CFMDC.
>>> No list of its 639 artists. No complete
>> filmographies.
>>>
>>> John Porter, Toronto, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> More detailed analysis:
>>>
>>> FLICKER
>>> List of 200 media artists, w/ links to their
>> websites
>>> or Flicker page w/ bios & filmographies.
>>>
>>>
>>> NY FILM-MAKERS' COOP
>>>
>>> List of films at Coop, w/ descriptions, sorted by
>>> artist.
>>> No list of just artists' names, w/ links to their
>>> films.
>>> Difficult to browse by artist. Not user-friendly.
>>> No internal Search by Artist. Only a google link.
>>> Says how many films at Coop, but not how many
>> artists
>>> (863).
>>> No bios or complete filmographies.
>>>
>>> List of 57 artists w/ links to their websites or
>>> Flicker pages.
>>> User Friendly.
>>>
>>>
>>> CANYON
>>>
>>> List of 400 artists at Canyon,
>>> w/ links to lists of their films at Canyon, w/
>>> descriptions.
>>> User-friendly.
>>> No Search by Artist linking to Canyon's list of
>> their
>>> films.
>>> Says how many films at Canyon, but not how many
>>> artists (I had to count).
>>> No bios or complete filmographies.
>>>
>>>
>>> CFMDC
>>>
>>> List of films at CFMDC, w/ descriptions, sorted
>>> alphabetically.
>>> Each linked to the artist's page w/ bio & list of
>>> their films at CFMDC.
>>> No complete filmographies.
>>> Search by Artist, but no list of the 639 artists.
>>> Must know artist's name to find easily. Not user
>>> friendly.
>>>
>>> John Porter, Toronto, Canada.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Philip Hood <email suppressed> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> By popular demand I have added the film-maker's
>>>> cooperative catalogue into my collection, with
>>>> added year and author search capabilities. The
>>>> filmmakers catalogue is already on-line, as you
>>>> may well know, but again, some frameworkers
>>>> expressed the desire to be able to search and
>>>> sort in various ways.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.angoleiro.com/fcoop_16mm/
>>>>
>>>> It is interesting to know, for instance, that
>>>> the largest number of films in their catalog
>>>> were produced in 1969.
>>>>
>>>> As an example, you may find the five films the
>>>> cooperative has of leslie thornton by linking to:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.angoleiro.com/fcoop.cgi?author=Leslie%20Thornton
>>>>
>>>> There were a number of films whose years were
>>>> not listed (I list as 1000). A number of films
>>>> also didn't have blurbs. None of Leslie's have
>>>> a blurb, btw. Should someone be
>>>> so inclined to write me and the film-maker's
>>>> cooperative they may be willing to add, and if
>>>> they do so, I will add. If the fcoop is slower at
>>>> responding, I can add and ask them to. And the
>>>> same
>>>> with any research you may have about the date(s)
>>>> any of the 506 films listed as year "1000".
>>>>
>>>> I have also linked the other location
>>>> databases at the bottom of each page. Feel free
>>>> to write me personally with any suggestions
>>>> you may have. If you know of another collection
>>>> of films somewhere in the US, please do let
>>>> me know about them.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you and enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> ml
>>>> pth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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