From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Oct 15 2005 - 16:30:51 PDT
--- jennifer fieber <email suppressed>
wrote:
> I'd like to thank Cari for reminding me not to get
> involved, let alone read
> the posts;
dear jennifer -
oh no!!!
i really like what you posted
i was staying on point about my initial question: is
"another worldly" what it suposedly critisizes - so...
the reason i dismissed herzog was the same reason i
brought up south park - the juxtopostion within the
montage of other images with other content
(eisenstien's potempkin) to make a point - this does
not exsist in "another worldly" and i portend that if
it did i would not have such a reaction to "another
worldly" and not to make lesslie's work or nothing but
if lesslie would have put one frame (subliminaly to
the untrained eye) of the word "eat" in the film,
again i would not have a leg to stand on regarding my
film analysis but.... - my film analysis is not about
opinion or locking anyone out - again i am staying on
point with my question that's all.
grain of sand, dust these are things perhaps my body
will become but i am not that right now - i don't
accept that i should dull myself down and let
everything roll off my back like a duck - it is a very
dangerous way of living and one risks loosing their
identity - no thanks - having my identity is hard (as
one can see here) but at least just b4 i become worm
poop i will have the consiousness of an actual self
without guilt
b well
c
--- jennifer fieber <email suppressed>
wrote:
> >From: Anna Biller <email suppressed>
> >Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> <email suppressed>
> >To: email suppressed
> >Subject: Re: Another Worldy was Re: Leslie Thornton
> >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:34:43 -0700
> >
> >But here is once more an attempt to silence someone
> through talking about
> >their style, or about what they are allowed or not
> allowed to present. It
> >is not her job to produce meaning that everyone
> understands. Talking about
> >style and form is just a way of criticizing
> someone, of bringing them down.
> >That's all I get from it.
>
> I find it a bit odd that you are not holding Cari to
> the same
> responsibility. I certainly do not want to continue
> this tedious discussion
> of manners and writing style rather than real film
> discussions, but just
> wanted to add one thing. I only started to read
> this thread because I know
> Lili and she is one of the many people who are on
> here but rarely post
> (myself included). It's nice to hear from people
> other than the handful who
> dominate here. I'm sure there are a lot of people
> who silently agree with
> me.
>
> I'm glad everyone seems to be alot more civil, but
> at the worst of it, Cari
> was herself "attempting to silence" everyone else
> who questioned her
> original statement--questioning lili's right to
> bring up such a petty thing
> as remembering the films title, Lili's defense of
> the film, etc.. Sure,
> defensiveness could be the reason why all the
> lashing out. Apparantly, I
> also had no right to meander off topic with the
> Herzog analogy, because this
> thread is about her, her, her. Her reaction to the
> film, her ideas of what
> constitutes an insult to people of color--or as she
> calls it "The Truth".
> It is interesting stuff, if she wants to articulate
> it, but I don't believe
> her personal way of seeing things has to be the way
> the rest of the world
> should react too. It's too dogmatic, and I don't
> see how anyone can expand
> their knowledge of the human condition if they
> insist they are right and
> there are no other ways of seeing it. Opinions are
> good, but shouldn't one
> take them--even their own, even those with seemingly
> impeccable logic to
> back them up--with a grain of sand? Sorry to sound
> like such a hippie.
>
> I'd like to thank Cari for reminding me not to get
> involved, let alone read
> the posts; I'll have more free time to fix my
> Auricon now.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
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